Answering Roman Catholicism


The church at Rome enjoys the high privilege of having an epistle named for itself. Has this ancient church kept its first faith? The faith of the apostles is the right faith: "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8). Does the modern church of Rome preach and practice as the apostles did, or has it allowed elements of the faiths of the nations to infiltrate?


Catholic Heaven

  Saints  


Necromancy Veneration
Dead Men's Bones Saints that Ain't

Talking with Dead People

Roman Catholics talk to: i.e., communicate with,-- deceased persons noted for their sanctity in this life. Is this Biblical?

The Lord forbade communicating with the dead to His people: "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you." (Deuteronomy 18:10-12).

The Catholic Church agrees: "There is a sect called spiritism, whose members try to call back the souls of their departed friends by superstitious practices; these deluded people say they hold communication with the dead. But such communication, whether it really be with the dead or with evil spirits, is forbidden to Catholics." (Religion, Doctrine and Practice, Francis B. Cassilly, S.J., p. 362).

But wait a minute -- what is prayer but "communication"? Entreating deceased friends and relations for assistance was common pagan practice:

"For some time a woman known as Dedi, the wife of a priest living in the region of Memphis about the 20th century BC, had been worrying over the prolonged illness of her serving maid, Imiu. She could not run her household properly without assistance, and the apparent indifference of her husband, Intef, only sharpened her anxiety..When she could no longer tolerate the situation, Dedi sat down and wrote a letter to her negligent husband, taking him to task for his insensitivity to her suffering. 'Why do you want your threshold to be made desolate?' Dedi asked. 'If there's no help from you, your house will be destroyed; don't you know that it is this serving maid who maintans your house among men?'...Although Dedi had accused him of being insensitive to her concerns, Intef had a fairly good reason for keeping silent: He had died some time earlier. In Dedi's view, a common one, death did not necessarily preclude her husband from helping out around the house. Indeed, in this particular instance, Intef would be of more use to Dedi in the Realm of the Dead....Only by the intervention of her dead husband could Dedi hope to have the serving woman restored to health. 'Can you not fight for her day and night?' Dedi asked. 'Fight for her! Watch over her! Save her from all those doing her harm! Then your house and your children shall be maintained....Fight for her,' she urged. 'Now!' Having finished her letter, Dedi filled the bowl with food and left it in Intef's tomb." (What Life was Like on the Banks of the Nile, pp. 137-138).

By contrast, in the Bible, prayer is to God alone: "O You who hear prayer, to You all flesh will come." (Psalm 65:2).  Some Roman Catholics report establishing two-way communication with the dead. Joan of Arc claimed to be in communication with Saints Catherine and Margaret, deceased at the time. The Biblical grounds for criminalizing calling up the dead does not appear to be the futility of the practice, because it is not in all cases impossible: "So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, 'Please conduct a séance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you.'...Then the woman said, 'Whom shall I bring up for you?' And he said, 'Bring up Samuel for me.' When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice.'" (1 Samuel 28:7-12).  Many other things forbidden in the law of Moses are also possible, such as murder and adultery. But God said not to do it!

"Worshipping the Dead"

Not only do Roman Catholics communicate with deceased persons noted for their sanctity in this life, they also 'venerate' them, kneeling before images of these departed saints. This practice was legalized by the council, accepted as ecumenical by Roman Catholic, called Second Nicaea.

  • "For I have heard in turn that others, who are out of their minds on the subject of this holy Ever-virgin, have done their best and are doing their best, in the grip both of madness and of folly, to substitute her for God...The words, 'Some shall depart from sound doctrine, giving heed to fables and doctrines of devils,' apply to these people as well. For as the scriptures say, they will be 'worshipping the dead' as the dead were given divine honors in Israel...For in Shechem, that is, the present day Neapolis, the inhabitants offer sacrifices in the name of Core, because of Jephthah's daughter, if you please, who was offered to God as a sacrifice. And for those who have been taken in by it, this has become the misfortunate of idolatry and the worship of vain things."
  • (Ephipanius, Panarion, Section VII, 58 [78], 23.2-23.6).

Do modern Catholics fall under Epiphanius' condemnation? They have set up a continuum of degrees of worship, with the highest falling to God alone, the lesser forms to created beings: "Let us understand that there are different degrees of worship." (John of Damascus, On Holy Images). But the Bible does not describe a continuum, rather an on/off switch: on for God, off for the creature.

Relics

In the law of Moses, death defiles; God's people sought to avoid pollution by avoiding human remains. The Lord's words call this to mind: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness." (Matthew 23:27). But nowadays the Roman Catholic Church cannot stop collecting dead men's bones.

  • "What can you say as to this, that it is attested by the writings of authors, that many of these temples which have been raised with golden domes and lofty roofs cover bones and ashes, and are sepulchers of the dead? Is it not plain and manifest, either that you worship dead men for immortal gods, or that an inexpiable affront is cast upon the deities, whose shrines and temples have been built over the tombs of the dead?"
  • (Arnobius, Case Against the Pagans, Book 6, Chapter 6).

The old law has been nailed to the cross. It is less than obvious, however, why one would wish to introduce practices not known to the Bible, suspiciously similar to the customs of the nations, and against which Moses legislated.

Saints that Ain't

Among the departed saints venerated in the past by Roman Catholics has been numbered...Gautama Buddha. Having your own religion is no bar to getting listed on the Roman Catholic calender:

Barlaam and Josaphat found their way into the Roman Martyrology (27 November), and into the Greek calendar (26 August)...The story is a Christianized version of one of the legends of Buddha, as even the name Josaphat would seem to show. This is said to be a corruption of the original Joasaph, which is again corrupted from the middle Persian Budasif (Budsaif=Bodhisattva)." (Catholic Encyclopedia, 1907, Article 'Barlaam and Josaphat.')

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Idolatry

Graven Image And, or Or?
Practice Pictures of God
As the Pagans Do Fathers Know Best
Excluded Middle Synod of Hieria
Second Nicaea Proskynesis
Reformation

Graven Image

"You shall not make for yourself a carved image -- any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments." (Exodus 20:4-6).
The Second Commandment

Call a Spade a Spade

Some Roman Catholics insist that they do not "worship" Mary, they "venerate" her. But look it up in the Catholic Encyclopedia, and you'll discover that 'veneration' is a "kind of worship": "In the theological sense veneration means the kind of worship given to the saints and Mary as distinct from the kind of worship given to God alone." (Catholic Encylopedia, 1965). And some Roman Catholics freely admit to "worship" of Mary in any case: "Equally easy is it now to understand why the Christian heart overflows with love and gratitude to Mary; why Christians recur to her with so much confidence in the efficacy of her prayers, the success of her intercession; and why Catholics offer her the highest worship below the supreme worship offered in the Holy Sacrifice, but never offered except to God alone." (Orestes Brownson, Selected Writings, p. 282). Confronted with such quotes, Roman Catholics bring up instances where 'worship' is used carelessly in common speech, like 'I worship the ground you walk upon,' and 'Your Worship,' addressed to an English judge. This seems a perilous game, because there is no more fundamental command God gave to His people than to worship Him only.


Catholics and the Bible

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Catholics and History

History is the strongest claim made by Catholics. By contrast with evangelical churches who can trace their continuous institutional existence back no more than a few centuries, the institutions that define Roman Catholicism have been around a long time. But history is also the most implacable accuser of Roman Catholicism. Only by averting one's eyes from much of this history can one continue to see Roman Catholicism as a church, much less the church:

Fruit of the Spirit Mass Murder
Apostolic Succession Heretic Popes

Fruit of the Spirit

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." (Galatians 5:22).

So if someone claims to be filled with the Holy Spirit, we know what fruit to look for...and what not:

"Cadaver Synod. One of the most gruesome events in papal history, held in January 897 by Pope Stephen VI (VII) during which the corpse of Pope Formosus (891-896) was exhumed and placed on trial...Having stirred up anti-Formosan sentiment among the populace and nobility of Rome, Lambert commanded Stephen to convene a synod to try the dead pope on assorted charges such as perjury, canonical violations, and ambition in seeking the papacy. What made the proceeding so grotesque was Stephen's decision to have Formosus appear personally. The rotting corpse was taken out of the tomb, dressed in vestments, and propped up in a chair. A deacon, standing behind the body, answered on its behalf. To no one's surprise, Formosus was found guilty." (The Pope Encyclopedia, Matthew Bunson, p. 58).

What is missing in this account, is not only any reminiscence of the early church writers' pastoral tale of one bishop sitting at the feet of his predecessor, learning the faith, but even any veneer of civilization. One must marvel at the vogue for swimming the Tiber; given all the bodies down there, it's a wonder the Board of Health doesn't shut it down for swimming.

Mass Murder

Jesus gave a simple test for discerning His followers: "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." (John 13:35).

The long history of the Roman church is Catholicism's main selling point. But inspection of this lengthy history is not for the faint of heart. Does the history of the Roman Catholic Church show the Lord's principle in action?:

Mass Murder  
Mass Murder

Apostolic Succession

When Marcion arose in the early church, claiming that his gnostic theology was just what the apostle Paul meant by his letters, critics realized that the churches founded by Paul, or guided by Paul subsequent to their founding by others (like Rome), represented a useful way of checking this claim. Would Paul have taught the congregations he was gathering a different gospel than he described in his letters? So why was Marcion's novel, unheard-of gospel not the gospel anyone could remember hearing on grandma's knee? In the early years of the church, the doctrine taught at churches of apostolic foundation did provide a useful check against 'wild' interpretations of scripture.

These early authors stressed how short was the chain and how few the links leading back to the apostolic generation. Modern Roman Catholics invert this claim, looking at it through the wrong end of the telescope. They glory in how many links there are in the chain, even though a transmission chain with many links gives no guarantee the message hasn't been garbled. Apostolic succession supposes that each bishop of Rome in turn learned his doctrine by sitting at the feet of his predecessor. Even in a healthy state of the church this was not always so. But in those ages when bandit chieftains vied over this lucrative office, buying it outright, of what worth is such a 'succession'?:

"Gregory VI Pope 1045 to 1046, the godfather to the infamous Pope Benedict IX, John Gratian (or Giovanni Graziano) was a participant in the reprehensible effort of Benedict to sell the papacy in 1045. John possessed a reputation for virtue and was known in some circles for his reforming zeal. He was consulted by his godson as to whether it was possible to resign the papacy because Benedict had become infatuated with a woman and was anxious to wed. John replied in the affirmative, and was suddenly offered the throne himself in return for a large payment of money. While technically paying the pope to step down, John in effect purchased the throne of St. Peter." (The Pope Encyclopedia, Matthew Bunson, p. 157).

Norman Rockwell produced an illustration showing a long line of tale-bearers, calling one another up and reporting a juicy bit of gossip. The chain ended where it began, with the first gossip starting back in shock at what she heard. What she heard was not the same tale she had told at the start of the chain. That is what is prone to happen with long transmissions chains.

Heretic Popes

In 1870 the bishop of Rome acclaimed himself "infallible" when speaking ex cathedra on questions of faith and morals. This bold coup left many wondering if the heretic bishops of Rome of bygone days had been infallible as well:

Callistus I -- according to Hippolytus (known to Roman Catholics as Saint Hippolytus), Pope Callistus I was, not only a modalist heretic, but himself the crafter of that version of modalism promoted in the present day by the new religious movement known as 'Oneness' Pentecostalism:

"For that which is seen, which is man, he [Callistus] considers to be the Son; whereas the Spirit, which was contained in the Son, to be the Father." (Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, Book 9, Chapter 7).
"Callistus corroborated the heresy of these Noetians, but we have already carefully explained the details of his life.  And Callistus himself produced likewise a heresy, and derived its starting-points from these Noetians, - namely, so far as he acknowledges that there is one Father and God, viz., the Creator of the universe, and that this (God) is spoken of, and called by the name of Son...And he is disposed (to maintain), that He who was seen in the flesh and was crucified is Son, but that the Father it is who dwells in Him.  Callistus thus at one time branches off into the opinion of Noetus, but at another into that of Theodotus, and holds no sure doctrine." (Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, Book 10, Chapter 23).

When these facts are drawn to their attention, Catholics point out that Pope Callistus excommunicated Sabellius, so he cannot be suspected of Sabellius' heresy. This is correct; he taught a very different heresy from that taught by Sabellius, who did not identify 'the Son' as 'the flesh,' but spoke of a 'monad' dilating into a 'dyad,' etc. They are also prone to impugn Hippolytus' motives, character and integrity, in a manner unbecoming to people who call Hippolytus a 'saint.'

Modern Roman Catholics are under the impression their church played a constructive role in the early church's debates over the Trinity. How different is the reality! After Pope Callistus had plunged the matter into confusion by his false teaching, a Pentecostal lay-man with a Bible in his hand rose to confute his errors. When he wrote his treatise on the Trinity, 'Against Praxeas,' Tertullian was not in fellowship with the Bishop of Rome.

Catholics impose a set of categories on Tertullian's life which assume their own church to be a fixed, rather than a moving, point, like those train passengers who think the platform is moving. From the first, Tertullian spoke only favorably about the Montanist prophets; so long as Victor was Pope, he could be friends both with the Montanists and with Rome. Once that was no longer possible, he followed his conscience. Tertullian contributed helpful and clarifying phrases like 'Trinity' and 'of one substance,' later incorporated into the Nicene Creed.

In this most crucial doctrinal matter, the Roman church was obliged to out-source the work to the Pentecostals. No doubt the Montanist emphasis on the Holy Spirit was helpful to Tertullian; while the modalists at Rome were still arguing about the Father and the Son, for all the world like the benighted converts in Acts who complained, "We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost" (Acts 19:2), the Montanist Tertullian realized God was Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It's a good thing there were Pentecostals in those days, so that Rome could look outside for sound, Bible-based teaching to correct her errors. How did Rome define the doctrine of the Trinity? By sub-contracting it out to the Pentecostals.

Liberius I -- Liberius was at first a partisan of the Nicene faith, and bravely submitted to exile from Rome in defense of the orthodox faith. He was recalled by the Arian emperor Constantius in circumstances that suggest he compromised that faith. Here is how church historian Sozomen tells it:

"Not long after these events, the emperor returned to Sirmium from Rome; on receiving a deputation from the Western bishops, he recalled Liberius from Beroea.Constantius urged him, in the presence of the deputies of the Eastern bishops, and of the other priests who were at the camp, to confess that the Son is not of the same substance as the Father. He was instigated to this measure by Basil, Eustathius, and Eusebius, who possessed great influence over him. They had formed a compilation, in one document, of the decrees against Paul of Samosata, and Photinus, bishop of Sirmium; to which they subjoined a formulary of faith drawn up at Antioch at the consecration of the church, as if certain persons had, under the pretext of the term 'consubstantial,' attempted to establish a heresy of their own. Liberius, Athanasius, Alexander, Severianus, and Crescens, a priest of Africa, were induced to assent to this document, as were likewise Ursacius, Germanius, bishop of Sirmium, Valens, bishop of Mursa, and as many of the Eastern bishops as were present. They partially approved of a confession of faith drawn up by Liberius, in which he declared that those who affirm that the Son is notlike unto the Father in substance and in all other respects, are excommunicated. For when Eudoxius and his partisans at Antioch, who favored the heresy of Aetius, received the letter of Hosius, they circulated the report that Liberius had renounced the term 'consubstantial,' and had admitted that the Son is dissimilar from the Father. After these enactments had been made by the Western bishops, the emperor permitted Liberius to return to Rome." (Ecclesiastical History of Sozomen, Book 4, Chapter 15).

The confession "drawn up" by Liberius described the Son as "like unto" the Father. Recall, the formula preferred by Arians is 'homoiousion' versus 'homoousion,' of similar substance.

Honorius I -- Honorius' heresy is an obscure one called 'monothelitism.' A concession to monophysitism, this teaching held that Jesus Christ had only a divine will and not a human will. Opponents argued that the human will was above all corrupted and depraved by sin, and what was not assumed was not healed. If Jesus' human nature did not include the faculty of will, He would not have assumed true humanity but only a semblance of humanity.

"His [Honorius'] pontificate, however, would be dominated by the controversy of Monophysitism, the heresy that proposed that Christ had only one nature instead of the usually accepted two, human and divine. Honorius became embroiled in the controversy over the heresy when he chose to respond to a letter on the nature of Christ sent by Sergius, Patriarch of Constantinople. The pope quoted the Council of Chalcedon (451), which was strictly orthodox, but he also used the unfortunate term 'one-will' in Christ. This caused severe controversy in both the Eastern and Western Churches and Honorius was subsequently anathematized by the Council of Constantipole (680-681) and was actually condemned by his successors - Pope Leo II upheld the condemnation by the council in 682." (The Pope Encyclopedia, Matthew Bunson, p. 173). So whatever view one takes of 'monothelitism,' either Honorius was fallible, or the successor popes who condemned him as a heretic were.

Marcellinus - This next is not a heretic, but an apostate: "It is highly possible that Marcellinus was guilty of apostasy, handing over copies of the Scriptures to the Roman authorities and perhaps even giving incense to the gods." (The Pope Encyclopedia, Matthew Bunson, pp. 232-233)


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"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Faith
  • “And so we, having been called through his will in Christ Jesus, are not justified through ourselves or through our own wisdom or understanding or piety or works which we have done in holiness of heart, but through faith, by which the almighty God has justified all who have existed from the beginning; to whom be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.”
  • (First Clement, 32.4).



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Baptismal Regeneration

The theory of baptismal regeneration, which originated with Cyprian and other early church writers, teaches that baptism is an effectual sign: that it causes that which it signifies. Roman Catholics, followers of Alexander Campbell and 'Oneness' Pentecostals teach this doctrine. The phrase 'baptismal regeneration' is not a slur, but a recap of what adherents of this doctrine are prone to say: "When the recipient has the correct disposition, baptism produces a spiritual rebirth." (Catholic Encyclopedia, Article 'Baptism,' 1965). Is it Biblical?

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Baptismal Regeneration

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  • "Cornelius was a just man, who was honored with a vision of Angels, and had set up his prayers and alms-deeds as a good memorial before God in heaven. Peter came, and the Spirit was poured out upon them that believed, and they spoke with other tongues, and prophesied: and after the grace of the Spirit the Scripture saith that Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ; in order that, the soul having been born again by faith, the body also might by the water partake of the grace."
  • (Cyril of Jerusalem, The Catechetical Lectures, Lecture 3.4).

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Unto the Least

To end on a positive note, here's one thing the Roman Catholic Church does right:

"Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'" (Matthew 25:34-40).

To their shame, many evangelical churches make no special effort to assist the poor.

In addition, many evangelicals nowadays seem to believe the Lord said, 'Blessed are the war-mongers,' while the Roman Catholic Church does the Lord's work in witnessing for peace.




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